1 00:00:08,570 --> 00:00:17,179 [Music] 2 00:00:25,470 --> 00:00:20,670 welcome to shattered reality with your 3 00:00:28,530 --> 00:00:25,480 hosts Kate Valentine and furs prepare to 4 00:00:34,729 --> 00:00:28,540 have your paradigm shifted into truths 5 00:00:38,220 --> 00:00:34,739 questioned and now shattered reality 6 00:00:42,540 --> 00:00:38,230 here we are again that's the truth 7 00:00:44,940 --> 00:00:42,550 uh hey Kate yes so it's faroush ahir 8 00:00:49,470 --> 00:00:44,950 version Kate foreshadowed reality 9 00:00:51,300 --> 00:00:49,480 podcast number 71 yeah yeah believe it I 10 00:00:54,150 --> 00:00:51,310 know I say this every time we go past 11 00:00:56,610 --> 00:00:54,160 each number when it seems quite amazing 12 00:00:59,130 --> 00:00:56,620 when we first started out we didn't know 13 00:01:01,470 --> 00:00:59,140 how long we could keep the the ball 14 00:01:05,730 --> 00:01:01,480 rolling here but we're doing pretty well 15 00:01:08,219 --> 00:01:05,740 and we're facing immediately in front of 16 00:01:12,270 --> 00:01:08,229 us or we just started it depending on 17 00:01:16,380 --> 00:01:12,280 how you want to look at it summer 2018 18 00:01:22,350 --> 00:01:16,390 yeah so to slate our our stuff today 19 00:01:26,700 --> 00:01:22,360 we're going to say it is June 26 2018 20 00:01:29,850 --> 00:01:26,710 and here we are at shattered reality 21 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:29,860 once again so I've slated so what's up 22 00:01:33,630 --> 00:01:32,170 with you hey not much I'm really looking 23 00:01:36,230 --> 00:01:33,640 forward to our guest today is a 24 00:01:39,930 --> 00:01:36,240 fascinating woman that's accomplished 25 00:01:43,710 --> 00:01:39,940 terrific tasks in really what is a man's 26 00:01:46,289 --> 00:01:43,720 world in all areas of her interest so I 27 00:01:48,180 --> 00:01:46,299 I know she's been on the show before but 28 00:01:50,429 --> 00:01:48,190 I find her to be fascinating and I could 29 00:01:53,670 --> 00:01:50,439 hardly wait to speak to her again myself 30 00:01:59,520 --> 00:01:53,680 as well and I just want to add that we 31 00:02:03,570 --> 00:01:59,530 are very interested in promoting women 32 00:02:07,050 --> 00:02:03,580 who have done things in the field of the 33 00:02:10,199 --> 00:02:07,060 paranormal especially those things that 34 00:02:12,420 --> 00:02:10,209 are not claiming claiming to be 35 00:02:14,729 --> 00:02:12,430 something like I could claim to know 36 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:14,739 everything about your history or I could 37 00:02:18,690 --> 00:02:18,010 claim somebody could claim to to to be 38 00:02:22,170 --> 00:02:18,700 have the 39 00:02:24,150 --> 00:02:22,180 system for anything but we're not 40 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:24,160 looking for claimants but we're very 41 00:02:30,780 --> 00:02:27,730 very interested in having women on who 42 00:02:31,940 --> 00:02:30,790 are accomplished just like our guests 43 00:02:36,839 --> 00:02:31,950 today 44 00:02:40,820 --> 00:02:36,849 Irena Scot PhD welcome Irena 45 00:02:45,570 --> 00:02:40,830 it's party welcome you for having me 46 00:02:47,699 --> 00:02:45,580 it's our pleasure entirely so I wonder I 47 00:02:49,619 --> 00:02:47,709 think it since we wouldn't leave you 48 00:02:52,500 --> 00:02:49,629 waiting in the sidelines too long 49 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:52,510 perhaps you wouldn't mind 50 00:02:58,650 --> 00:02:55,890 you know enumerated some of you our 51 00:03:00,300 --> 00:02:58,660 background in terms of education and 52 00:03:01,740 --> 00:03:00,310 where you've worked and that sort of 53 00:03:05,509 --> 00:03:01,750 thing and we'll just hold tight and 54 00:03:12,330 --> 00:03:05,519 listen because it's extremely impressive 55 00:03:15,420 --> 00:03:12,340 well I survived it anyway my career has 56 00:03:19,620 --> 00:03:15,430 been in science and I've been in UFOs as 57 00:03:21,089 --> 00:03:19,630 a hobby my PhD was from the University 58 00:03:25,860 --> 00:03:21,099 of Missouri College of Veterinary 59 00:03:28,289 --> 00:03:25,870 Medicine I did a post I had a post 60 00:03:31,500 --> 00:03:28,299 doctoral position at Cornell University 61 00:03:35,129 --> 00:03:31,510 and a professorship at st. Bonaventure 62 00:03:39,599 --> 00:03:35,139 University my MS was from the University 63 00:03:42,150 --> 00:03:39,609 of Nevada and my BS was from OSU Ohio 64 00:03:46,229 --> 00:03:42,160 State with University with majors in 65 00:03:48,270 --> 00:03:46,239 biology and astronomy I've done research 66 00:03:52,319 --> 00:03:48,280 and teaching at the University of Nevada 67 00:03:56,270 --> 00:03:52,329 and the Ohio State University College of 68 00:03:58,610 --> 00:03:56,280 Medicine I'm also well trained in 69 00:04:01,620 --> 00:03:58,620 photographic analysis and aircraft 70 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:01,630 identification which is pertinent to my 71 00:04:09,170 --> 00:04:04,930 book yes I've been applied employed by 72 00:04:13,220 --> 00:04:09,180 the Defense Intelligence Agency dia and 73 00:04:16,710 --> 00:04:13,230 PhD level research is a gs-11 and 74 00:04:19,319 --> 00:04:16,720 satellite photography with security 75 00:04:25,050 --> 00:04:19,329 clearances that are above top-secret and 76 00:04:27,540 --> 00:04:25,060 the government I've also worked I worked 77 00:04:30,450 --> 00:04:27,550 in divisions one of them was Air order 78 00:04:32,190 --> 00:04:30,460 battle which should actually be a 79 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:32,200 government monitoring point 80 00:04:39,390 --> 00:04:36,730 for UFO activity I've been stationed at 81 00:04:42,510 --> 00:04:39,400 wright-patterson Air Force Base and I 82 00:04:44,190 --> 00:04:42,520 knew the archivists there who showed me 83 00:04:48,660 --> 00:04:44,200 all through wright-patterson in the 84 00:04:50,310 --> 00:04:48,670 secret areas and all kinds of things and 85 00:04:51,330 --> 00:04:50,320 also I've been stationed there so that I 86 00:04:56,220 --> 00:04:51,340 could get on the base and everything 87 00:04:59,940 --> 00:04:56,230 stated in base hotel I've also been in 88 00:05:04,230 --> 00:04:59,950 plight employed in EMS level work as a 89 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:04,240 physical science cartographer at the it 90 00:05:08,580 --> 00:05:05,770 used to be called the Aerospace Center 91 00:05:10,950 --> 00:05:08,590 and change its name several times and 92 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:10,960 it's moved it used to be in st. Louis 93 00:05:21,090 --> 00:05:14,770 Missouri and it's these positions use 94 00:05:24,150 --> 00:05:21,100 satellite photography so that my 95 00:05:26,070 --> 00:05:24,160 experience included using satellite 96 00:05:29,130 --> 00:05:26,080 photography look at a certain area of 97 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:29,140 the earth and identifying all flying 98 00:05:38,150 --> 00:05:34,090 craft over I've also worked at Battelle 99 00:05:40,170 --> 00:05:38,160 Memorial Institute I've been a strong 100 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:40,180 correspondent for Popular Mechanics 101 00:05:48,180 --> 00:05:44,650 magazine with articles and photography 102 00:05:51,450 --> 00:05:48,190 in its technology update and science 103 00:05:55,220 --> 00:05:51,460 sections I was a volunteer astronomer 104 00:06:00,060 --> 00:05:55,230 the Ohio State University radio 105 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:00,070 astronomy Tory called Big Ear and it's 106 00:06:07,140 --> 00:06:03,730 famous for the city signal oh yeah the 107 00:06:10,740 --> 00:06:07,150 WoW signal right wow signal that might 108 00:06:14,790 --> 00:06:10,750 be humanity's only signal from et and 109 00:06:17,820 --> 00:06:14,800 I'm also an amateur astronomer my 110 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:17,830 publications include books numerous 111 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:19,690 papers in peer-reviewed scientific 112 00:06:25,650 --> 00:06:22,570 journals articles and magazines and 113 00:06:31,340 --> 00:06:25,660 newspaper my published photography has 114 00:06:33,630 --> 00:06:31,350 appeared in magazines and on TV and I 115 00:06:36,870 --> 00:06:33,640 wanted to be an astronomer and that's 116 00:06:39,060 --> 00:06:36,880 what I started out as but at that time 117 00:06:40,890 --> 00:06:39,070 they didn't hire females and I had no 118 00:06:42,900 --> 00:06:40,900 luck at all because nobody would give me 119 00:06:45,780 --> 00:06:42,910 even an application I tried to apply 120 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:45,790 soap into other fields 121 00:06:51,420 --> 00:06:47,050 but I've always been interested in 122 00:06:53,700 --> 00:06:51,430 astronomy so that's mine you sound 123 00:06:57,620 --> 00:06:53,710 actually I think if someone were to be 124 00:07:00,120 --> 00:06:57,630 trained in UF o identification and 125 00:07:02,580 --> 00:07:00,130 exploration and identification I mean 126 00:07:04,590 --> 00:07:02,590 you're a perfect background for that I 127 00:07:07,550 --> 00:07:04,600 think and I congratulate you on your 128 00:07:13,830 --> 00:07:07,560 career when did you find time to eat I 129 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:13,840 have a family really really well when I 130 00:07:20,340 --> 00:07:15,490 was in school I didn't have enough money 131 00:07:23,340 --> 00:07:20,350 eat hard okay join the club right well I 132 00:07:27,300 --> 00:07:23,350 I just want to make one personal note 133 00:07:29,850 --> 00:07:27,310 before we go into our show proper and 134 00:07:33,750 --> 00:07:29,860 that is to tell you 135 00:07:37,430 --> 00:07:33,760 Irina Scott how much I enjoy the 136 00:07:40,590 --> 00:07:37,440 videocam that you set up on your 137 00:07:45,210 --> 00:07:40,600 homestead it's a small family farm kind 138 00:07:47,610 --> 00:07:45,220 of place I kind of get that idea and you 139 00:07:52,050 --> 00:07:47,620 have a videocam set up from time to time 140 00:07:54,870 --> 00:07:52,060 and you put postings up on Facebook and 141 00:07:56,850 --> 00:07:54,880 we see all these wild animals living 142 00:07:58,800 --> 00:07:56,860 right around the corner in Ohio and 143 00:08:03,030 --> 00:07:58,810 they're right around the corner here too 144 00:08:06,050 --> 00:08:03,040 in New York and New Jersey so I just 145 00:08:09,780 --> 00:08:06,060 want to thank you for that and the the 146 00:08:14,940 --> 00:08:09,790 enjoyment that that gives me but now on 147 00:08:17,850 --> 00:08:14,950 to our shattered reality subject the 148 00:08:23,130 --> 00:08:17,860 beginning of your latest book which is 149 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:23,140 called inside the lightning ball and is 150 00:08:33,330 --> 00:08:29,130 about ball lightning and orbs and 151 00:08:35,700 --> 00:08:33,340 lightning and st. Elmo's fire is in 152 00:08:40,170 --> 00:08:35,710 there and everything and I just found 153 00:08:44,850 --> 00:08:40,180 that very very interesting and as a 154 00:08:48,740 --> 00:08:44,860 person who has seen several orbs in her 155 00:08:53,660 --> 00:08:48,750 life and who has been privileged to see 156 00:08:57,030 --> 00:08:53,670 three fireballs come down from the sky 157 00:08:59,220 --> 00:08:57,040 which I understand is unusual but only 158 00:09:01,470 --> 00:08:59,230 one of them was life through 159 00:09:04,740 --> 00:09:01,480 the other two were very interesting from 160 00:09:07,980 --> 00:09:04,750 an astronomical point of view could you 161 00:09:10,020 --> 00:09:07,990 kindly tell us how you see the 162 00:09:15,650 --> 00:09:10,030 difference between these different 163 00:09:22,470 --> 00:09:19,740 well I start I'd intended to start my 164 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:22,480 book by saying I saw lightning ball it 165 00:09:27,210 --> 00:09:24,730 was when I was 5 years old and I was 166 00:09:28,770 --> 00:09:27,220 just gonna say that I mean what I 167 00:09:32,970 --> 00:09:28,780 originally planned to say was that I 168 00:09:35,790 --> 00:09:32,980 don't identify any thing that's flying 169 00:09:39,210 --> 00:09:35,800 around and lit up as a UFO and that I 170 00:09:40,980 --> 00:09:39,220 know prosaic things and don't think my 171 00:09:45,980 --> 00:09:40,990 experiences were with something like 172 00:09:50,340 --> 00:09:45,990 lightning balls but as I got into it I 173 00:09:54,150 --> 00:09:50,350 started to do research on lightning 174 00:09:58,680 --> 00:09:54,160 balls and the subject is a lot more 175 00:10:00,840 --> 00:09:58,690 confusing than I had an idea it was 176 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:00,850 because science really can't explain 177 00:10:11,370 --> 00:10:09,610 lightning balls and so I mentioned that 178 00:10:13,650 --> 00:10:11,380 first experience and I was going to go 179 00:10:16,830 --> 00:10:13,660 on say well I don't think lightning 180 00:10:18,570 --> 00:10:16,840 balls or UFOs are all that and so then 181 00:10:20,670 --> 00:10:18,580 after I started doing research I found 182 00:10:22,170 --> 00:10:20,680 out science doesn't know much at all 183 00:10:25,500 --> 00:10:22,180 about lightning balls and they're just 184 00:10:29,340 --> 00:10:25,510 as mysterious as UFOs and there may be 185 00:10:31,680 --> 00:10:29,350 some overlap and so I was saying I think 186 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:31,690 lightning balls are pertinent to 187 00:10:37,500 --> 00:10:34,090 studying lightning ball ball lightning 188 00:10:42,540 --> 00:10:37,510 is pertinent to UFOs study because some 189 00:10:46,500 --> 00:10:42,550 may be either one or both and they show 190 00:10:48,500 --> 00:10:46,510 a lot of characteristics like UFOs show 191 00:10:53,270 --> 00:10:48,510 a lot of characteristics similar to 192 00:10:56,910 --> 00:10:53,280 lightning balls in some cases and so I 193 00:10:58,940 --> 00:10:56,920 went into lightning balls more in a lot 194 00:11:01,520 --> 00:10:58,950 more detail than I intended to and 195 00:11:06,950 --> 00:11:01,530 described my own experience with 196 00:11:11,369 --> 00:11:08,819 well 197 00:11:14,100 --> 00:11:11,379 yeah my mother was hit by a ball 198 00:11:16,410 --> 00:11:14,110 lightning really yeah it just went up 199 00:11:18,059 --> 00:11:16,420 her body and then out the other side you 200 00:11:21,449 --> 00:11:18,069 know we always figured that was the way 201 00:11:23,429 --> 00:11:21,459 she was pushing that but ya know it 202 00:11:27,059 --> 00:11:23,439 really it was it did not affect her 203 00:11:29,489 --> 00:11:27,069 really she damaged you know it scared 204 00:11:32,340 --> 00:11:29,499 the hell out but no no but that's 205 00:11:34,319 --> 00:11:32,350 interesting so you're really trying to 206 00:11:38,249 --> 00:11:34,329 investigate things that have no 207 00:11:40,619 --> 00:11:38,259 explanation ediot explanation and you're 208 00:11:46,799 --> 00:11:40,629 you're right in that both objects are 209 00:11:49,590 --> 00:11:46,809 with out really ready rigorous academic 210 00:11:51,749 --> 00:11:49,600 explanation of how did you come to any 211 00:11:53,759 --> 00:11:51,759 conclusions at all because I'm really 212 00:11:55,460 --> 00:11:53,769 curious to see what you think about all 213 00:11:59,189 --> 00:11:55,470 this stuff 214 00:12:02,340 --> 00:11:59,199 well my could one main conclusion is I 215 00:12:04,350 --> 00:12:02,350 think they seem to separate lightning 216 00:12:06,419 --> 00:12:04,360 bolts from UFOs although some people 217 00:12:07,949 --> 00:12:06,429 have written books saying all UFOs are 218 00:12:11,359 --> 00:12:07,959 lightning bolts and things like that 219 00:12:14,639 --> 00:12:11,369 haha it's my opinion that since 220 00:12:18,869 --> 00:12:14,649 lightning bolts are considered prosaic 221 00:12:21,539 --> 00:12:18,879 and UFOs are not in general by science 222 00:12:24,119 --> 00:12:21,549 but they ought to study lightning balls 223 00:12:26,369 --> 00:12:24,129 more and get all their characteristics 224 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:26,379 in which are pretty weird because they 225 00:12:31,109 --> 00:12:27,970 may go through walls and all kinds of 226 00:12:33,389 --> 00:12:31,119 things like is reported with UFOs and 227 00:12:36,059 --> 00:12:33,399 since this is something science can kind 228 00:12:38,730 --> 00:12:36,069 of grasp and study okay 229 00:12:42,449 --> 00:12:38,740 and study you in more detail mm-hmm it's 230 00:12:44,239 --> 00:12:42,459 relevant to you the UFO phenomena yes so 231 00:12:47,249 --> 00:12:44,249 this you can actually collect data on 232 00:12:51,239 --> 00:12:47,259 uh-huh okay that makes sense and then 233 00:12:54,659 --> 00:12:51,249 perhaps use that data to interpret some 234 00:12:55,289 --> 00:12:54,669 of the UFO phenomena yes yeah it's 235 00:12:59,009 --> 00:12:55,299 interesting 236 00:13:03,929 --> 00:12:59,019 well I I have something of a statement 237 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:03,939 here and that is that um I've seen four 238 00:13:10,769 --> 00:13:06,569 orbs in my life 239 00:13:14,639 --> 00:13:10,779 two of those orbs followed along the 240 00:13:19,109 --> 00:13:14,649 baseboard of two different buildings in 241 00:13:22,410 --> 00:13:19,119 in bedrooms that I was staying in and as 242 00:13:26,250 --> 00:13:22,420 such I suppose they could have been 243 00:13:28,850 --> 00:13:26,260 ball lightning or lightning balls on the 244 00:13:32,130 --> 00:13:28,860 other hand they were both acid green and 245 00:13:38,340 --> 00:13:32,140 one of them followed the death of a dog 246 00:13:40,890 --> 00:13:38,350 of mine that being said one of them that 247 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:40,900 I just mentioned and another one which I 248 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:43,810 saw outdoors through the window of a 249 00:13:51,900 --> 00:13:48,850 house were connected with a woman who 250 00:13:55,550 --> 00:13:51,910 had been my friend who was not 251 00:14:01,580 --> 00:13:55,560 particularly involved with UFOs but was 252 00:14:05,820 --> 00:14:01,590 involved with earth spirituality like 253 00:14:09,740 --> 00:14:05,830 goddess studies and that sort of thing 254 00:14:16,250 --> 00:14:09,750 and she in fact took a lot of 255 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:16,260 photographs of Lights around her 256 00:14:22,950 --> 00:14:20,050 performance of mask making and told me 257 00:14:26,220 --> 00:14:22,960 that there were lights around her and 258 00:14:31,230 --> 00:14:26,230 her then-husband all the time 259 00:14:33,450 --> 00:14:31,240 so just because the that's who I am I'm 260 00:14:36,150 --> 00:14:33,460 going to because I don't like binary 261 00:14:40,590 --> 00:14:36,160 conclusions to things I like there to be 262 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:40,600 possibly more things available so we 263 00:14:45,270 --> 00:14:42,970 have ball lightning or lightning balls 264 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:45,280 that apparently have something to do 265 00:14:51,330 --> 00:14:46,570 with lightning strikes 266 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:51,340 we have orbs or similar things 267 00:15:01,170 --> 00:14:56,850 associated with UFOs and here we have 268 00:15:03,900 --> 00:15:01,180 orbs associated three times to my 269 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:03,910 knowledge with this woman who deals with 270 00:15:12,900 --> 00:15:08,650 earth-based spirituality is partially 271 00:15:15,750 --> 00:15:12,910 Native American and you know deals with 272 00:15:21,450 --> 00:15:15,760 as I say earth-based things all the time 273 00:15:24,450 --> 00:15:21,460 so what what do you make of that Irina 274 00:15:29,310 --> 00:15:24,460 that's very interesting does she take 275 00:15:33,210 --> 00:15:29,320 photographs of her orbs well I'm gonna 276 00:15:36,220 --> 00:15:33,220 be specific here one time the orb that I 277 00:15:40,390 --> 00:15:36,230 saw was at the base board of 278 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:40,400 mother's house where I was staying the 279 00:15:48,130 --> 00:15:45,970 mother had like maybe 15 cats and 280 00:15:50,140 --> 00:15:48,140 iverson aliy sort of felt like it might 281 00:15:52,030 --> 00:15:50,150 have been the spirit of a departed cat 282 00:15:56,410 --> 00:15:52,040 or something but I have no reason to 283 00:16:00,340 --> 00:15:56,420 claim that the second orb I saw around 284 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:00,350 her in her environment was uh while I 285 00:16:07,620 --> 00:16:02,810 was at a house that she was living in 286 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:07,630 renting in New York State and this was 287 00:16:14,650 --> 00:16:12,890 something that was passing by the this 288 00:16:18,220 --> 00:16:14,660 was something that was passing by the 289 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:18,230 window and at first I thought it was 290 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:23,930 probably a it was probably a Firefly and 291 00:16:31,410 --> 00:16:26,330 then I said wait a minute 292 00:16:35,910 --> 00:16:31,420 this was over an inch in diameter and 293 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:35,920 had no others saw a source there was not 294 00:16:41,980 --> 00:16:39,650 blinking on and off like a Firefly which 295 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:41,990 is reminds me of something in your book 296 00:16:48,970 --> 00:16:44,770 now in terms of her taking photographs 297 00:16:51,850 --> 00:16:48,980 she did indeed take photographs she's a 298 00:16:54,850 --> 00:16:51,860 performance artist and uh and a sculptor 299 00:16:57,820 --> 00:16:54,860 and a mask maker so she was making these 300 00:17:00,870 --> 00:16:57,830 masks and she had different women 301 00:17:07,170 --> 00:17:00,880 performing the different goddesses like 302 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:07,180 Spider Woman and a different female 303 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:09,530 goddesses from around the world 304 00:17:14,829 --> 00:17:12,050 particularly Native American ones and 305 00:17:17,860 --> 00:17:14,839 she had women in costumes wearing the 306 00:17:22,380 --> 00:17:17,870 masks and dancing around and when she 307 00:17:26,590 --> 00:17:22,390 took photographs of several of these 308 00:17:29,500 --> 00:17:26,600 goddess figures they had lights adhered 309 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:29,510 to them little little tiny lights and 310 00:17:34,870 --> 00:17:32,050 and these were not being worn by the 311 00:17:38,950 --> 00:17:34,880 performers these just showed up in the 312 00:17:41,010 --> 00:17:38,960 photographs so that's that's what I have 313 00:17:44,990 --> 00:17:41,020 to say about that so 314 00:17:48,450 --> 00:17:45,000 well I think there's an overlap between 315 00:17:52,290 --> 00:17:48,460 what you'd call orbs lightning balls and 316 00:17:55,860 --> 00:17:52,300 UFOs and poltergeists because if you see 317 00:17:58,790 --> 00:17:55,870 a small thing like a small lightning 318 00:18:04,020 --> 00:17:58,800 ball at X and if anyway it might be a 319 00:18:04,740 --> 00:18:04,030 UFO or small UFO or an orb or something 320 00:18:07,500 --> 00:18:04,750 like that 321 00:18:12,330 --> 00:18:07,510 and so I was trying to my first chapter 322 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:12,340 was on lightning balls and I was trying 323 00:18:17,390 --> 00:18:14,890 to say that there might be several 324 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:17,400 things that lightning balls maybe a 325 00:18:25,140 --> 00:18:20,770 conglomeration as UFOs may be of several 326 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:25,150 different things and I went into detail 327 00:18:29,850 --> 00:18:27,610 about lightning balls because after I 328 00:18:32,940 --> 00:18:29,860 thought about that who I had seen 329 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:32,950 several and from the title of my book I 330 00:18:38,340 --> 00:18:35,770 might have even been inside one and I 331 00:18:40,950 --> 00:18:38,350 also found out that my family enstein a 332 00:18:42,870 --> 00:18:40,960 number of lightning balls - to my 333 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:42,880 surprise apparently it's pretty rare to 334 00:18:48,120 --> 00:18:45,970 do that but I was changing my book right 335 00:18:50,310 --> 00:18:48,130 up practically until it went in the 336 00:18:55,470 --> 00:18:50,320 publication as I found out more about my 337 00:18:59,250 --> 00:18:55,480 family having sightings so anyway I was 338 00:19:01,980 --> 00:18:59,260 trying to delineate what I know about 339 00:19:07,169 --> 00:19:01,990 lightning balls and compare that to how 340 00:19:10,010 --> 00:19:07,179 they may be different from UFOs and I 341 00:19:15,450 --> 00:19:10,020 had an interesting experience that I 342 00:19:19,530 --> 00:19:15,460 talked about the name related to UFOs - 343 00:19:25,110 --> 00:19:19,540 I state I used to visit people and stay 344 00:19:29,700 --> 00:19:25,120 in his house in Texas and at one time I 345 00:19:30,210 --> 00:19:29,710 was out on patio with my video camera 346 00:19:37,380 --> 00:19:30,220 going 347 00:19:41,700 --> 00:19:37,390 and suddenly lightning hit and I think 348 00:19:45,350 --> 00:19:41,710 the both hit right beside me but I was 349 00:19:49,290 --> 00:19:45,360 on a patio that was insulated by having 350 00:19:49,700 --> 00:19:49,300 wooden posts and things and it didn't 351 00:19:53,850 --> 00:19:49,710 kill me 352 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:53,860 well thank you this because I got a 353 00:19:55,950 --> 00:19:54,610 really close 354 00:19:58,470 --> 00:19:55,960 picture and normally it would kill a 355 00:20:00,539 --> 00:19:58,480 person and destroy the camera and 356 00:20:04,010 --> 00:20:00,549 everything I think this is a big bowl of 357 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:04,020 lightning but my camera was working and 358 00:20:10,380 --> 00:20:07,210 it recorded this big quite out and 359 00:20:13,860 --> 00:20:10,390 that's what I saw it looked like a big 360 00:20:16,860 --> 00:20:13,870 whiteout all around me maybe with kind 361 00:20:19,770 --> 00:20:16,870 of boundaries like it was a big blob or 362 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:19,780 something and then my eyes weren't 363 00:20:26,220 --> 00:20:21,850 working because it was so bright but my 364 00:20:29,970 --> 00:20:26,230 camera came back on and there was a cell 365 00:20:35,419 --> 00:20:29,980 tower about 125 feet away about 150 feet 366 00:20:38,580 --> 00:20:35,429 away and my camera came on after the 367 00:20:43,860 --> 00:20:38,590 point up work that happened where I was 368 00:20:47,220 --> 00:20:43,870 and then it recorded the electricity 369 00:20:54,120 --> 00:20:47,230 shorting up a guy wire from the cell 370 00:20:57,030 --> 00:20:54,130 tower and then after that the fire alarm 371 00:21:00,120 --> 00:20:57,040 went off and so you could kind of study 372 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:00,130 what happens when lightning occurs and 373 00:21:06,570 --> 00:21:04,210 it was pretty odd because I was right 374 00:21:10,169 --> 00:21:06,580 there and I actually take the whiteout 375 00:21:11,850 --> 00:21:10,179 and then the electricity going up the 376 00:21:15,620 --> 00:21:11,860 guy wire the guy wire was a big thick 377 00:21:20,789 --> 00:21:15,630 thing and so I could figure that 378 00:21:23,580 --> 00:21:20,799 probably in a radius of like 120 feet 379 00:21:24,990 --> 00:21:23,590 around me that anybody standing on the 380 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:25,000 ground might have got killed by that 381 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:28,330 lightning it was really impressive and 382 00:21:32,789 --> 00:21:30,490 it was impressive because I thought I 383 00:21:37,230 --> 00:21:32,799 might have been a lightning bolt inside 384 00:21:39,360 --> 00:21:37,240 of one Wow by some definitions what was 385 00:21:42,830 --> 00:21:39,370 their storm at the time or did this just 386 00:21:46,470 --> 00:21:42,840 come out of the clear blue there were 387 00:21:50,039 --> 00:21:46,480 storm clouds and I didn't hear a thunder 388 00:21:51,750 --> 00:21:50,049 until that happened and then I I was 389 00:21:54,780 --> 00:21:51,760 kind of blinded than the Deaf and then I 390 00:21:57,659 --> 00:21:54,790 went in the house and I just don't 391 00:22:00,930 --> 00:21:57,669 remember in my terrain afterwards I'm 392 00:22:03,780 --> 00:22:00,940 not too sure yeah that was a pretty 393 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:03,790 startling experience Wow what year was 394 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:06,730 this it was I I'd have to look I think 395 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:08,530 it's 2012 396 00:22:16,620 --> 00:22:14,650 or so recently yeah all right but I got 397 00:22:21,030 --> 00:22:16,630 other I had another experience in the 398 00:22:22,310 --> 00:22:21,040 same place and you've heard of the Marfa 399 00:22:26,610 --> 00:22:22,320 lights oh yes 400 00:22:29,190 --> 00:22:26,620 well the patio I was on face this big 401 00:22:31,740 --> 00:22:29,200 crater several miles that on the other 402 00:22:37,380 --> 00:22:31,750 side of the house was another patio that 403 00:22:41,990 --> 00:22:37,390 faced Marfa it was about it was about 20 404 00:22:46,740 --> 00:22:42,000 miles away and you could see it with a 405 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:46,750 telescopic lens and I was kind of used 406 00:22:52,380 --> 00:22:49,450 to seeing Marfa and I'd looked at they 407 00:22:54,300 --> 00:22:52,390 even have a mantra viewing area for UFOs 408 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:54,310 and things and I wasn't too impressed 409 00:22:58,770 --> 00:22:55,210 with that 410 00:23:00,060 --> 00:22:58,780 I just thought people saw cars driving 411 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:00,070 around the mountains and saw their 412 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:02,650 lights and things so I was very used to 413 00:23:09,270 --> 00:23:05,170 seeing Marshall but one day I went on 414 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:09,280 the other patio facing Marfa it was 415 00:23:14,190 --> 00:23:11,890 night and there was a light that was 416 00:23:17,100 --> 00:23:14,200 hovering above Marfa it looked like it 417 00:23:20,550 --> 00:23:17,110 was it was a big light it was low and 418 00:23:23,490 --> 00:23:20,560 close to Martha and so I started filming 419 00:23:27,750 --> 00:23:23,500 it and it just stayed there without 420 00:23:30,570 --> 00:23:27,760 moving and it was 11:00 after around 12 421 00:23:33,120 --> 00:23:30,580 o'clock at night and the airport closes 422 00:23:37,710 --> 00:23:33,130 at 5:00 and there's hardly any air 423 00:23:39,120 --> 00:23:37,720 traffic around and so it just stayed 424 00:23:43,350 --> 00:23:39,130 there it didn't move like an airplane 425 00:23:48,360 --> 00:23:43,360 would and so I've gone away and it 426 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:48,370 disappeared and reappeared but mostly it 427 00:23:52,470 --> 00:23:49,890 just it's just stayed in the same place 428 00:23:57,420 --> 00:23:52,480 which is pretty weird because airplanes 429 00:23:59,460 --> 00:23:57,430 move and you could see the Stars and 430 00:24:02,310 --> 00:23:59,470 everything but at one point I was 431 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:02,320 filming it things lit up and I suppose 432 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:04,570 that was ball lightning 433 00:24:10,020 --> 00:24:07,930 I mean heat lightning I don't know but 434 00:24:11,970 --> 00:24:10,030 there was something lit up what was 435 00:24:13,980 --> 00:24:11,980 happening this is a real deserted place 436 00:24:15,390 --> 00:24:13,990 there wasn't any traffic and especially 437 00:24:17,550 --> 00:24:15,400 not at night because just this 438 00:24:21,260 --> 00:24:17,560 zigzagging trail goes up and you can 439 00:24:23,450 --> 00:24:21,270 hardly drive it in a car 440 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:23,460 and so there weren't cars running around 441 00:24:31,250 --> 00:24:26,970 to make light things like that and so 442 00:24:34,670 --> 00:24:31,260 anyway I didn't know I thought maybe 443 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:34,680 this is a martial light but the area 444 00:24:41,090 --> 00:24:38,250 around Marfa people are familiar with 445 00:24:44,450 --> 00:24:41,100 the UFO type phenomena but there's also 446 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:44,460 a huge amount of geological phenomena 447 00:24:50,030 --> 00:24:48,570 around larva and it's in a huge crater 448 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:50,040 or cauldron 449 00:24:57,110 --> 00:24:52,730 I mean it's extinct for many many years 450 00:24:59,450 --> 00:24:57,120 but it was just a huge volcanic cauldron 451 00:25:04,760 --> 00:24:59,460 that was just unlike anything that's 452 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:04,770 happened in millions of years and it was 453 00:25:11,930 --> 00:25:07,970 tied into the orogeny that made the 454 00:25:14,420 --> 00:25:11,940 Rocky Mountains and things and so anyway 455 00:25:20,300 --> 00:25:14,430 I thought that maybe this could have 456 00:25:23,390 --> 00:25:20,310 been like an earth light or a earthquake 457 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:23,400 light or something like that and people 458 00:25:29,710 --> 00:25:26,010 have compared marshal lights to places 459 00:25:33,730 --> 00:25:29,720 where there's geological unusual 460 00:25:40,550 --> 00:25:33,740 happenings so I got to pre intersting 461 00:25:42,950 --> 00:25:40,560 videos one place well you speak of early 462 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:42,960 experiences in your life - something 463 00:25:49,250 --> 00:25:44,970 that sort of started you off on this 464 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:49,260 path it started me off but it wasn't 465 00:25:55,790 --> 00:25:53,610 something I knew about when my sister 466 00:25:58,010 --> 00:25:55,800 and I were very young that's one reason 467 00:26:00,320 --> 00:25:58,020 I also covered lightning balls was to 468 00:26:03,020 --> 00:26:00,330 sort of compare them to this other thing 469 00:26:04,580 --> 00:26:03,030 mm-hm and this was seemed a lot 470 00:26:06,500 --> 00:26:04,590 different from lightning balls and there 471 00:26:10,070 --> 00:26:06,510 were a lot of things I could use to 472 00:26:12,410 --> 00:26:10,080 compare and contrast when my sister and 473 00:26:14,420 --> 00:26:12,420 I were young it was my sister hadn't 474 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:14,430 started school yet SIF she was four or 475 00:26:21,260 --> 00:26:16,610 five and I was a couple years older and 476 00:26:25,190 --> 00:26:21,270 we were in a bedroom we yeah we were in 477 00:26:28,310 --> 00:26:25,200 a farmhouse and very rural and we were 478 00:26:30,430 --> 00:26:28,320 poor and after my parents put in 479 00:26:34,850 --> 00:26:30,440 electricity that were bought one radio 480 00:26:37,610 --> 00:26:34,860 and just played particular stations so 481 00:26:39,350 --> 00:26:37,620 we never heard of UFOs or lightning 482 00:26:41,090 --> 00:26:39,360 balls or anything else so we weren't 483 00:26:44,539 --> 00:26:41,100 influenced by the media at all 484 00:26:46,730 --> 00:26:44,549 and we were both in we were in beds and 485 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:46,740 off the sides of a room it was an attic 486 00:26:54,310 --> 00:26:50,250 room with slanted walls to the ceiling 487 00:26:56,630 --> 00:26:54,320 and things like that and we both woke up 488 00:26:59,799 --> 00:26:56,640 approximately the same time and 489 00:27:02,720 --> 00:26:59,809 something was flying around the room and 490 00:27:05,419 --> 00:27:02,730 you said yours kind of followed the 491 00:27:07,310 --> 00:27:05,429 baseboard or something it was just a 492 00:27:10,039 --> 00:27:07,320 random thing it was like it was browsing 493 00:27:12,530 --> 00:27:10,049 it just full around the room up and down 494 00:27:14,539 --> 00:27:12,540 back and forth lacrosse and like soar 495 00:27:16,909 --> 00:27:14,549 like a butterfly looking for flowers or 496 00:27:21,049 --> 00:27:16,919 something it wasn't anything that you'd 497 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:21,059 think I was mechanical and we didn't say 498 00:27:25,030 --> 00:27:22,410 anything to each other I didn't know she 499 00:27:29,870 --> 00:27:25,040 was awake she apparently thought I was 500 00:27:34,090 --> 00:27:29,880 but we just watched it and at that young 501 00:27:37,460 --> 00:27:34,100 age we both thought this is ad normal 502 00:27:41,659 --> 00:27:37,470 because it seemed to be able to guide 503 00:27:44,810 --> 00:27:41,669 itself and it come to a wall and it 504 00:27:49,030 --> 00:27:44,820 would turn about a foot before it got 505 00:27:52,220 --> 00:27:49,040 there it kind of followed the room and 506 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:52,230 gotten here both of us but it avoided 507 00:27:57,650 --> 00:27:55,890 the furniture the room was dark it was a 508 00:28:00,409 --> 00:27:57,660 clear night - it wasn't anything like a 509 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:00,419 it was just a clear nice night with no 510 00:28:04,970 --> 00:28:03,450 thunder anything like that either so 511 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:04,980 that's another reason we didn't think it 512 00:28:09,740 --> 00:28:08,610 was lightning bolt but um it just flew 513 00:28:14,060 --> 00:28:09,750 around the room like that 514 00:28:16,700 --> 00:28:14,070 and we both just watched it and then 515 00:28:19,490 --> 00:28:16,710 after a while it had been in this 516 00:28:22,850 --> 00:28:19,500 browsing motion it went to the south 517 00:28:25,850 --> 00:28:22,860 side of the room and it toward the floor 518 00:28:27,799 --> 00:28:25,860 and then it flew up to the ceiling but 519 00:28:30,409 --> 00:28:27,809 it didn't hit the ceiling it turned 520 00:28:33,370 --> 00:28:30,419 before it got to the ceiling and flung 521 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:33,380 the ceiling to a chandelier in the room 522 00:28:38,260 --> 00:28:36,090 the chandelier was turned off so there 523 00:28:41,630 --> 00:28:38,270 shouldn't have been any electricity to 524 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:41,640 influence it and it starts circling the 525 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:44,010 chandelier and the walls came up close 526 00:28:49,630 --> 00:28:46,970 to the chandelier 527 00:28:52,870 --> 00:28:49,640 but it didn't feel its way around it 528 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:52,880 didn't feel its way to to the chandelier 529 00:28:57,070 --> 00:28:54,290 or the walls or anything it just flew 530 00:28:58,810 --> 00:28:57,080 the sampler got about a certain distance 531 00:29:00,460 --> 00:28:58,820 away from it and starts circling it 532 00:29:02,380 --> 00:29:00,470 circled and circled and circled and 533 00:29:09,970 --> 00:29:02,390 circled each circle was in the same 534 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:09,980 place and I think it speeded up and then 535 00:29:15,970 --> 00:29:14,210 it started after a while it came down so 536 00:29:19,870 --> 00:29:15,980 in sort of the spiral it was very 537 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:19,880 geometrical right under the chandelier 538 00:29:24,550 --> 00:29:22,970 and the spiral got it was like a draw a 539 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:24,560 line from the chandelier to the floor 540 00:29:31,540 --> 00:29:28,370 and this spiral got shorter or had less 541 00:29:34,060 --> 00:29:31,550 smaller radius as it went down and then 542 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:34,070 suddenly both of us became absolutely 543 00:29:40,300 --> 00:29:36,890 terrified it was the most terrifying 544 00:29:43,450 --> 00:29:40,310 life we shrieked and screamed and ran 545 00:29:46,060 --> 00:29:43,460 for the stairs we fell down the stair 546 00:29:48,340 --> 00:29:46,070 steps and there was a door at the bottom 547 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:48,350 we finally managed to get it open and 548 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:51,970 went down screaming to our parents and 549 00:29:58,870 --> 00:29:54,770 this seemed a lot different from a 550 00:30:00,670 --> 00:29:58,880 lightning ball what was it that scared 551 00:30:03,340 --> 00:30:00,680 you so badly I mean because it does 552 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:03,350 sound almost I know you know as you said 553 00:30:08,260 --> 00:30:06,050 you were not exposed to any events of 554 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:08,270 that nature on the media but it didn't 555 00:30:13,510 --> 00:30:10,970 sound like that frightening other it 556 00:30:15,430 --> 00:30:13,520 would it sounded like something would 557 00:30:16,750 --> 00:30:15,440 make a child curious rather than fright 558 00:30:20,170 --> 00:30:16,760 there must have been something 559 00:30:22,450 --> 00:30:20,180 threatening about it well I've been 560 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:22,460 discussing since my book came out I've 561 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:24,050 been discussing out a little bit more 562 00:30:29,380 --> 00:30:26,450 with some people mm-hmm because I've 563 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:29,390 called it you know there's anima an 564 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:31,490 inanimate and I felt this was anima 565 00:30:34,570 --> 00:30:32,930 because it seemed to be able to guide 566 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:34,580 itself and there were things weren't 567 00:30:41,590 --> 00:30:36,890 which didn't seem like you know just a 568 00:30:44,710 --> 00:30:41,600 physical thing but yeah I'm not too sure 569 00:30:47,620 --> 00:30:44,720 what our natural idea was but we just 570 00:30:50,230 --> 00:30:47,630 seemed curious and wondered and then we 571 00:30:52,270 --> 00:30:50,240 became absolutely terrified and it was 572 00:30:55,270 --> 00:30:52,280 like we had some kind of mind control 573 00:30:57,940 --> 00:30:55,280 because we both woke up at the same time 574 00:31:00,550 --> 00:30:57,950 for no reason at all and then we both 575 00:31:03,130 --> 00:31:00,560 became terrified the same reason 576 00:31:05,110 --> 00:31:03,140 it was like something was controlling 577 00:31:06,580 --> 00:31:05,120 our fare something you're like it just 578 00:31:10,180 --> 00:31:06,590 turn on a switch and suddenly we were 579 00:31:13,290 --> 00:31:10,190 both terrified and you have 580 00:31:17,350 --> 00:31:13,300 corroboration as I recall from the book 581 00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:17,360 that with your sister with your mother 582 00:31:26,290 --> 00:31:21,650 and also with a cousin or something that 583 00:31:29,350 --> 00:31:26,300 in fact this event did occur basically 584 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:29,360 as you have told it I have only one 585 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:32,330 question about the room at the time of 586 00:31:38,770 --> 00:31:34,730 the sighting was the chandelier on or 587 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:38,780 off it was all okay it was large so we 588 00:31:46,270 --> 00:31:41,210 can rule out the idea that it was a moth 589 00:31:48,910 --> 00:31:46,280 circling the chandelier because moths do 590 00:31:53,430 --> 00:31:48,920 that sort of thing and often and their 591 00:31:58,030 --> 00:31:53,440 lives by putting their bodies on to the 592 00:31:59,950 --> 00:31:58,040 the hot bulb of the light fixture but 593 00:32:04,870 --> 00:31:59,960 the light fixture was off there was no 594 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:04,880 light emanating from it oh this the 595 00:32:10,030 --> 00:32:07,850 object was lit I mean that's another 596 00:32:12,010 --> 00:32:10,040 thing that's odd was it looked like a 597 00:32:15,430 --> 00:32:12,020 piece of metal it was about an inch in 598 00:32:20,980 --> 00:32:15,440 diameter and it glowed and it looked 599 00:32:24,700 --> 00:32:20,990 like hot metal and so about that - it 600 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:24,710 had power some way and it didn't just 601 00:32:32,140 --> 00:32:28,490 fly around it could fly up and then it 602 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:32,150 circled the chandelier and if it was 603 00:32:39,130 --> 00:32:35,930 just inanimate why would Wilson circle a 604 00:32:41,670 --> 00:32:39,140 chandelier and things like that so it 605 00:32:44,740 --> 00:32:41,680 seemed like it was a lot different than 606 00:32:47,230 --> 00:32:44,750 like a moth wouldn't blow for one this 607 00:32:52,060 --> 00:32:47,240 is certainly not the moth wouldn't glow 608 00:32:54,610 --> 00:32:52,070 but I was kind of fending off certain 609 00:32:57,610 --> 00:32:54,620 comments that we might get on our 610 00:33:00,030 --> 00:32:57,620 podcast because I don't believe you 611 00:33:02,620 --> 00:33:00,040 mentioned that the light was out so I 612 00:33:04,990 --> 00:33:02,630 having read your book I know that the 613 00:33:07,570 --> 00:33:05,000 light wasn't on and that the object in 614 00:33:10,990 --> 00:33:07,580 fact glowed but I wanted you this just 615 00:33:14,259 --> 00:33:11,000 to reiterate it for our listeners I do 616 00:33:18,930 --> 00:33:14,269 want to make a point which I 617 00:33:24,359 --> 00:33:18,940 think is the central thesis of your book 618 00:33:33,479 --> 00:33:24,369 Irina and that is that scientists 619 00:33:38,579 --> 00:33:33,489 contrary to common common lor lor EU law 620 00:33:41,349 --> 00:33:38,589 scientists do in fact see UFOs and have 621 00:33:45,820 --> 00:33:41,359 paranormal phenomena happened to them a 622 00:33:49,959 --> 00:33:45,830 and B people can be multiple experiences 623 00:33:54,849 --> 00:33:49,969 and this can be very honest I know that 624 00:33:58,359 --> 00:33:54,859 my my wonderful co-host here Kate is an 625 00:34:01,799 --> 00:33:58,369 experiencer our engineer bill is an 626 00:34:05,289 --> 00:34:01,809 experiencer and I am also a multiple 627 00:34:08,260 --> 00:34:05,299 experiencers so I'm very interested in 628 00:34:11,829 --> 00:34:08,270 that thesis of the book about the 629 00:34:14,260 --> 00:34:11,839 scientists being experiencers and about 630 00:34:18,700 --> 00:34:14,270 people being multiple experiences do you 631 00:34:22,180 --> 00:34:18,710 want to speak to that well I the main 632 00:34:26,069 --> 00:34:22,190 idea behind my book is that I was 633 00:34:29,319 --> 00:34:26,079 opposing the idea that the main 634 00:34:31,750 --> 00:34:29,329 criticism used about UFOs where people 635 00:34:36,430 --> 00:34:31,760 say they didn't exist it's because they 636 00:34:38,409 --> 00:34:36,440 say science don't accept their knowledge 637 00:34:41,829 --> 00:34:38,419 UFOs and there's no peer-reviewed 638 00:34:43,720 --> 00:34:41,839 literature and so I was going against 639 00:34:46,839 --> 00:34:43,730 that by saying yes scientists do see 640 00:34:51,940 --> 00:34:46,849 UFOs in fact astronomers see more than 641 00:34:53,799 --> 00:34:51,950 normal and I don't know about peer 642 00:34:55,510 --> 00:34:53,809 review latest year but I wrote five 643 00:34:59,200 --> 00:34:55,520 papers that were in the peer-reviewed 644 00:35:02,440 --> 00:34:59,210 literature and so I think the idea that 645 00:35:04,870 --> 00:35:02,450 science doesn't accept that phenomenon 646 00:35:09,539 --> 00:35:04,880 is incorrect and I was trying to 647 00:35:12,279 --> 00:35:09,549 encourage Sciences say more I think 648 00:35:15,510 --> 00:35:12,289 scientists don't say anything and I 649 00:35:17,829 --> 00:35:15,520 think they should but I mentioned 650 00:35:21,730 --> 00:35:17,839 sightings by a number of scientists and 651 00:35:24,999 --> 00:35:21,740 one physics professor who did a real 652 00:35:27,940 --> 00:35:25,009 good study of UFOs in real time and 653 00:35:30,730 --> 00:35:27,950 everything else he said I feel 654 00:35:34,630 --> 00:35:30,740 the experiment where they had stations 655 00:35:39,089 --> 00:35:34,640 and scientists were at the stations with 656 00:35:42,250 --> 00:35:39,099 equipment and he said he saw 160 UFOs 657 00:35:45,700 --> 00:35:42,260 which you know they say scientists never 658 00:35:48,490 --> 00:35:45,710 see a one oh he certainly did and aid 659 00:35:50,950 --> 00:35:48,500 and it was scientifically validated to 660 00:35:52,569 --> 00:35:50,960 because they the station's were in 661 00:35:55,060 --> 00:35:52,579 contact with each other and they could 662 00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:55,070 tell when something flew by and they had 663 00:36:02,710 --> 00:35:57,290 standards to tell whether it's a normal 664 00:36:05,770 --> 00:36:02,720 airplane and everything like that well I 665 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:05,780 will mention at this juncture one of my 666 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:09,890 favorite people which is dr. Edgar 667 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:12,170 Mitchell the late astronaut who had the 668 00:36:21,430 --> 00:36:17,170 pleasure of meeting and he had a PhD 669 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:21,440 from MIT and that is hardly shabby and 670 00:36:30,010 --> 00:36:27,970 he was a firm believer in UFOs in 671 00:36:36,750 --> 00:36:30,020 extraterrestrial intelligence if you 672 00:36:39,579 --> 00:36:36,760 will and also he founded the ions 673 00:36:43,720 --> 00:36:39,589 Institute of noetic Sciences out in 674 00:36:47,140 --> 00:36:43,730 Petaluma California to study some of 675 00:36:50,740 --> 00:36:47,150 these phenomena and so it a lot of the 676 00:36:55,030 --> 00:36:50,750 astronauts have spoken a Gordon Cooper 677 00:36:57,250 --> 00:36:55,040 amongst them about UFOs that they saw 678 00:37:00,990 --> 00:36:57,260 now the only thing that we can debate 679 00:37:04,390 --> 00:37:01,000 about that is not the the veracity of 680 00:37:07,270 --> 00:37:04,400 dr. Mitchell or Gordon Cooper who I I 681 00:37:10,059 --> 00:37:07,280 don't know what his you know educational 682 00:37:12,069 --> 00:37:10,069 background is so I'm not giving him his 683 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:12,079 proper due forgive me 684 00:37:17,290 --> 00:37:14,450 but I think the only thing that we can 685 00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:17,300 debate and I have no intention of 686 00:37:24,819 --> 00:37:20,530 debating it right now is whether or not 687 00:37:28,059 --> 00:37:24,829 these UFOs unidentified flying objects 688 00:37:30,460 --> 00:37:28,069 are extraterrestrial or not I mean they 689 00:37:33,329 --> 00:37:30,470 could be other things but that's beside 690 00:37:36,849 --> 00:37:33,339 the point that they exist is 691 00:37:39,370 --> 00:37:36,859 indisputable wouldn't you say yeah and I 692 00:37:41,630 --> 00:37:39,380 think the whole subject of UFOs might be 693 00:37:45,079 --> 00:37:41,640 sort of a conglomeration 694 00:37:46,549 --> 00:37:45,089 of more than one thing - because nobody 695 00:37:51,950 --> 00:37:46,559 knows what they are and so they couldn't 696 00:37:53,599 --> 00:37:51,960 be orbs et or something else the is 697 00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:53,609 beyond our understanding 698 00:37:59,299 --> 00:37:56,249 well speaking of ET no better training 699 00:38:02,180 --> 00:37:59,309 to discussing ETS and being a 700 00:38:05,180 --> 00:38:02,190 veterinarian because I'm sure life-forms 701 00:38:08,599 --> 00:38:05,190 are universal and it would be 702 00:38:11,989 --> 00:38:08,609 interesting to see if indeed they were 703 00:38:14,329 --> 00:38:11,999 et's which we all sort of I don't know I 704 00:38:18,470 --> 00:38:14,339 always hope that they are but that 705 00:38:20,870 --> 00:38:18,480 they're somewhat similar to us and not 706 00:38:23,210 --> 00:38:20,880 the cephalopods that were portrayed in 707 00:38:25,009 --> 00:38:23,220 that last movie I mean that was good but 708 00:38:29,359 --> 00:38:25,019 I'd really like to have something that 709 00:38:32,539 --> 00:38:29,369 we can identify with and since you are 710 00:38:35,029 --> 00:38:32,549 in sort of the life sciences Jill tarter 711 00:38:38,900 --> 00:38:35,039 once made a point where if the dinosaurs 712 00:38:41,809 --> 00:38:38,910 had continued to evolve they would have 713 00:38:43,999 --> 00:38:41,819 evolved into sort of a mammalian figure 714 00:38:46,999 --> 00:38:44,009 because you know the eyes are placed 715 00:38:51,529 --> 00:38:47,009 such that he did you know in other words 716 00:38:55,489 --> 00:38:51,539 to survive a human being has a lot of 717 00:38:57,890 --> 00:38:55,499 advantages if there were life on a 718 00:39:00,319 --> 00:38:57,900 similar planet to earth do you think it 719 00:39:03,249 --> 00:39:00,329 would evolve sort of the way we did and 720 00:39:05,870 --> 00:39:03,259 that type of being or what do you think 721 00:39:08,390 --> 00:39:05,880 I'm just curious I mean obviously you 722 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:08,400 don't know unfortunately none of us do 723 00:39:16,609 --> 00:39:13,650 but what would you think well it's 724 00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:16,619 confusing because lightning balls are so 725 00:39:22,339 --> 00:39:20,249 complex mm-hmm I mean I read all these 726 00:39:24,170 --> 00:39:22,349 hate these scientific papers on 727 00:39:27,410 --> 00:39:24,180 lightning balls and they say it may 728 00:39:29,979 --> 00:39:27,420 contain the inside of the lightning ball 729 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:29,989 may contain quantum mechanical things 730 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:36,210 theory it positrons electrons and 731 00:39:41,690 --> 00:39:38,690 nuclear explosions and everything else 732 00:39:48,729 --> 00:39:41,700 so that insight lightning ball may be 733 00:39:52,849 --> 00:39:48,739 something really complex physics and I 734 00:39:54,870 --> 00:39:52,859 considered that - with UFOs the common 735 00:39:59,460 --> 00:39:54,880 thing is to think well 736 00:40:02,490 --> 00:39:59,470 there's human appearing pilots and they 737 00:40:04,530 --> 00:40:02,500 come from outer space and that's 738 00:40:06,630 --> 00:40:04,540 certainly a theory that makes sense and 739 00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:06,640 everything but they might be something 740 00:40:12,330 --> 00:40:08,290 totally different that we can't even 741 00:40:15,570 --> 00:40:12,340 imagine - yeah I sort of hope not 742 00:40:18,420 --> 00:40:15,580 because Magritte attend it's obviously a 743 00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:18,430 real possibility but I don't think you 744 00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:20,530 could really relate that well I mean I 745 00:40:26,070 --> 00:40:22,930 think the whole artificial intelligence 746 00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:26,080 thing starts to creep in and because 747 00:40:30,780 --> 00:40:28,810 these things are immortal and therefore 748 00:40:32,550 --> 00:40:30,790 they have all the literally all the time 749 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:32,560 in the universe to fly around and 750 00:40:38,340 --> 00:40:36,010 investigate things but it you know it's 751 00:40:40,140 --> 00:40:38,350 not something it's something you could 752 00:40:44,460 --> 00:40:40,150 understand all but you know not really 753 00:40:45,060 --> 00:40:44,470 relate to particularly that's why who's 754 00:40:48,330 --> 00:40:45,070 your friend 755 00:40:50,220 --> 00:40:48,340 David yeah he always said you know if 756 00:40:52,950 --> 00:40:50,230 you had your druthers what would you 757 00:40:55,590 --> 00:40:52,960 hope for as far as aliens 758 00:40:58,080 --> 00:40:55,600 yeah and I think that's what I'd like 759 00:41:01,770 --> 00:40:58,090 something not quite as harsh as Klingons 760 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:01,780 maybe Romulan there well let me let me 761 00:41:10,050 --> 00:41:06,010 make a point that you partially made in 762 00:41:14,910 --> 00:41:10,060 the book arena and that is that the 763 00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:14,920 lightning ball has been thought about as 764 00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:20,770 possibly enveloping a mini black hole 765 00:41:29,340 --> 00:41:24,370 and when you think of places like these 766 00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:29,350 portal areas of the skinwalker ranch out 767 00:41:36,570 --> 00:41:32,650 in the you need a basin in Utah comes to 768 00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:36,580 mind that there might be a portal area 769 00:41:44,610 --> 00:41:40,650 created by the lightning ball by which 770 00:41:49,710 --> 00:41:44,620 these quote-unquote others whatever they 771 00:41:54,210 --> 00:41:49,720 may be extraterrestrials beings on a 772 00:41:58,140 --> 00:41:54,220 different plane than us a different 773 00:42:00,690 --> 00:41:58,150 dimensional plane whatever they are 774 00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:00,700 people from the future or the past or 775 00:42:07,390 --> 00:42:03,850 whatever perhaps these lightning balls 776 00:42:10,900 --> 00:42:07,400 were they many black holes within 777 00:42:15,700 --> 00:42:10,910 as you have postulated might cause a 778 00:42:18,130 --> 00:42:15,710 portal area to be open yeah I mean I was 779 00:42:21,099 --> 00:42:18,140 I wasn't saying I thought they were some 780 00:42:25,150 --> 00:42:21,109 particular thing I was just saying I'm 781 00:42:27,339 --> 00:42:25,160 trying to be open-minded and consider a 782 00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:27,349 lot of possibilities because I don't 783 00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:30,890 think there's evidence that all UFOs are 784 00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:33,890 one thing and that there's a lot of 785 00:42:38,650 --> 00:42:36,890 ideas on what they might be and they you 786 00:42:40,839 --> 00:42:38,660 know I didn't want to Center on one 787 00:42:43,450 --> 00:42:40,849 thing and say oh I think they're you 788 00:42:46,150 --> 00:42:43,460 know aliens some of them may be though 789 00:42:49,240 --> 00:42:46,160 so it's good to have an open mind about 790 00:42:51,430 --> 00:42:49,250 this and weigh all possibilities and I 791 00:42:56,579 --> 00:42:51,440 will also just very quickly throw in 792 00:43:01,000 --> 00:42:56,589 there that even if a number of the UFOs 793 00:43:03,490 --> 00:43:01,010 do cause ETS to come here or there and 794 00:43:07,510 --> 00:43:03,500 and they're encased in these UFOs that 795 00:43:09,519 --> 00:43:07,520 doesn't mean that even extraterrestrials 796 00:43:11,769 --> 00:43:09,529 all come from the same place I mean the 797 00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:11,779 some could come from a different galaxy 798 00:43:19,620 --> 00:43:16,490 some could come from beta Reticuli some 799 00:43:23,670 --> 00:43:19,630 could come from the Pleiades we we just 800 00:43:27,789 --> 00:43:23,680 it's no reason for us to assume that all 801 00:43:32,410 --> 00:43:27,799 ETS come from Venus or whatever I'm 802 00:43:33,549 --> 00:43:32,420 being a little bit Phoenician Venusian 803 00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:33,559 here yeah beautiful 804 00:43:39,210 --> 00:43:35,890 I'm being a little bit humorous here but 805 00:43:44,019 --> 00:43:39,220 now perhaps you'd like to tell us about 806 00:43:47,170 --> 00:43:44,029 one of your UFO experiences as in the 807 00:43:50,559 --> 00:43:47,180 one up by Boston or one of those which 808 00:43:55,839 --> 00:43:50,569 occurred in the Ohio State University 809 00:43:59,109 --> 00:43:55,849 area the Boston one it takes it will 810 00:44:02,440 --> 00:43:59,119 take me a while I'll try to describe it 811 00:44:05,140 --> 00:44:02,450 fast it if I really describe it in 812 00:44:08,349 --> 00:44:05,150 detail take about four hours because 813 00:44:12,549 --> 00:44:08,359 it's kind of long so I will try to do it 814 00:44:16,150 --> 00:44:12,559 fast my sister and I were living on the 815 00:44:17,950 --> 00:44:16,160 East Coast I was working for the DIA as 816 00:44:20,770 --> 00:44:17,960 I mentioned and she was a true 817 00:44:23,170 --> 00:44:20,780 University taking postgraduate work 818 00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:23,180 and we wanted to see the since we were 819 00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:25,610 there we wanted to see the eastern 820 00:44:33,250 --> 00:44:30,890 states and we went up to Massachusetts 821 00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:33,260 in Boston and we were going to go on up 822 00:44:37,240 --> 00:44:36,170 and look around just to see the New 823 00:44:39,630 --> 00:44:37,250 England states 824 00:44:42,700 --> 00:44:39,640 we were planning to stay at Boston and 825 00:44:45,220 --> 00:44:42,710 we got to Boston it was still daylight 826 00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:45,230 and so he went up route three from 827 00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:47,210 Boston and later I found out that's 828 00:44:54,430 --> 00:44:51,850 where the hills had had their experience 829 00:44:58,330 --> 00:44:54,440 but we came down to Boston and we 830 00:45:00,550 --> 00:44:58,340 couldn't find a hotel and so we were 831 00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:00,560 going to look around the outer belt and 832 00:45:09,010 --> 00:45:04,850 as we were leaving Boston we saw this 833 00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:09,020 funny thing flying around it was south 834 00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:10,490 of us and it seemed to be going south 835 00:45:17,110 --> 00:45:12,290 don't seem to just have sort of an 836 00:45:19,270 --> 00:45:17,120 erratic flight pattern it wasn't like an 837 00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:19,280 airplane going straight someplace they 838 00:45:26,350 --> 00:45:23,890 just see the brows are musii around and 839 00:45:28,660 --> 00:45:26,360 my sister kept saying this is really odd 840 00:45:30,310 --> 00:45:28,670 and I kept arguing with her and saying 841 00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:30,320 it was a helicopter with its landing 842 00:45:34,390 --> 00:45:31,970 lights on I've never seen anything like 843 00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:34,400 that but I want an explanation for what 844 00:45:40,540 --> 00:45:38,570 it was and so we kept seeing it and we 845 00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:40,550 had real repressive parents we weren't 846 00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:42,290 allowed to talk about UFOs or anything 847 00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:44,690 weird but we both admitted from each 848 00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:48,170 other then that we had seen your foes 849 00:45:54,070 --> 00:45:51,650 before and anyway we kept following it 850 00:45:57,490 --> 00:45:54,080 and we kept arguing because I went to 851 00:46:00,760 --> 00:45:57,500 fine hotel and I was driving and she was 852 00:46:05,140 --> 00:46:00,770 watching it and she said what was what 853 00:46:07,180 --> 00:46:05,150 it well you couldn't miss it it was it 854 00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:07,190 was real bright light there were no 855 00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:09,290 other lights on it and it wasn't flying 856 00:46:14,410 --> 00:46:12,050 anything like an airplane and it was 857 00:46:16,870 --> 00:46:14,420 like and we could see other airplanes 858 00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:16,880 there was an airport close by we could 859 00:46:21,250 --> 00:46:19,490 see the airplanes go in and land and fly 860 00:46:22,810 --> 00:46:21,260 over and things like that and they look 861 00:46:25,690 --> 00:46:22,820 like airplanes and this didn't look 862 00:46:28,059 --> 00:46:25,700 anything like an airplane and so we kept 863 00:46:30,789 --> 00:46:28,069 following it 864 00:46:34,349 --> 00:46:30,799 and we got on route 95 and we're going 865 00:46:38,739 --> 00:46:34,359 south and there was a woods on one side 866 00:46:42,309 --> 00:46:38,749 maybe both sides and I saw this rental 867 00:46:44,499 --> 00:46:42,319 thing in the woods it wasn't moving 868 00:46:46,959 --> 00:46:44,509 it was either on or near the ground it 869 00:46:50,559 --> 00:46:46,969 was pretty close to us and it was 870 00:46:53,289 --> 00:46:50,569 flashing just to a spectrum of light it 871 00:46:55,660 --> 00:46:53,299 had a spectrum of different shades of 872 00:46:58,209 --> 00:46:55,670 red and different shades of blue it had 873 00:47:01,029 --> 00:46:58,219 sort of a dark thing over it that made 874 00:47:09,359 --> 00:47:01,039 it seem to rotate around it and I 875 00:47:13,689 --> 00:47:09,369 couldn't imagine what it was and I just 876 00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:13,699 couldn't imagine it and then as we were 877 00:47:18,670 --> 00:47:15,650 driving by the inside of our light of 878 00:47:20,380 --> 00:47:18,680 our cars lit up and green and it was 879 00:47:25,539 --> 00:47:20,390 like Christmas tree lights rumoured or 880 00:47:29,109 --> 00:47:25,549 something and I couldn't imagine what 881 00:47:30,579 --> 00:47:29,119 was happening because I looked around I 882 00:47:33,609 --> 00:47:30,589 thought there must be a beam of light 883 00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:33,619 shining into our car but I couldn't see 884 00:47:37,959 --> 00:47:35,690 a beam I couldn't see any green on the 885 00:47:39,839 --> 00:47:37,969 outside and the thing on the ground I 886 00:47:43,059 --> 00:47:39,849 thought it must be shining a beam at us 887 00:47:45,370 --> 00:47:43,069 but it was never green it was different 888 00:47:48,910 --> 00:47:45,380 it was had a spectrum but it didn't 889 00:47:53,289 --> 00:47:48,920 green and so I couldn't imagine what was 890 00:47:55,390 --> 00:47:53,299 going on and in thinking about later I 891 00:47:57,849 --> 00:47:55,400 think I would have noticed that the 892 00:48:00,400 --> 00:47:57,859 inside of other cars lit up in green and 893 00:48:02,049 --> 00:48:00,410 so I think it was something from Pacific 894 00:48:05,170 --> 00:48:02,059 to our car I didn't think about that 895 00:48:08,229 --> 00:48:05,180 then I had no idea what I mean we 896 00:48:11,349 --> 00:48:08,239 weren't into UFOs or anything I just had 897 00:48:15,279 --> 00:48:11,359 no idea but would you continue to drive 898 00:48:17,199 --> 00:48:15,289 and you continue to drive to just sort 899 00:48:19,569 --> 00:48:17,209 of follow you along or had you pulled 900 00:48:22,689 --> 00:48:19,579 over no I didn't pull over 901 00:48:25,269 --> 00:48:22,699 mm-hmm so you continue to drive and the 902 00:48:32,109 --> 00:48:25,279 like it stayed on in your car it just 903 00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:32,119 for a while okay and I I wasn't even 904 00:48:35,709 --> 00:48:34,249 thinking about UFOs if I had been I had 905 00:48:38,589 --> 00:48:35,719 taken out a camera and started taking 906 00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:38,599 pictures but I was you know looking for 907 00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:40,770 a motel and I wondered what her that was 908 00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:42,930 and my sister kept saying you know she 909 00:48:49,279 --> 00:48:46,170 thought there was a UFO up ahead and I 910 00:48:54,589 --> 00:48:49,289 was arguing with her and so anyway as we 911 00:48:58,910 --> 00:48:54,599 continued she started yelling at me to 912 00:49:01,789 --> 00:48:58,920 stop and saying that it was gonna pass 913 00:49:05,019 --> 00:49:01,799 over us if it's gonna cross the road and 914 00:49:08,329 --> 00:49:05,029 pass over us we were on a freeway and 915 00:49:10,730 --> 00:49:08,339 she was very very insistent I thought 916 00:49:14,390 --> 00:49:10,740 she was crazy and it's telling her this 917 00:49:19,039 --> 00:49:14,400 is a helicopter and anyway so I decided 918 00:49:22,579 --> 00:49:19,049 to stop and I looked over to the east I 919 00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:22,589 saw something like a meteorite a meteor 920 00:49:30,250 --> 00:49:25,170 a long ways away and then right over the 921 00:49:33,049 --> 00:49:30,260 treetops this thing came over and it was 922 00:49:35,630 --> 00:49:33,059 it's hard to say how large it was or how 923 00:49:38,690 --> 00:49:35,640 far away because it was night and I 924 00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:38,700 didn't had no idea sighs but it was very 925 00:49:47,839 --> 00:49:43,130 very clear it had seven square windows 926 00:49:49,700 --> 00:49:47,849 in a row it had a green light on a very 927 00:49:51,620 --> 00:49:49,710 small green light on one side and red 928 00:49:53,930 --> 00:49:51,630 light on the other and my sister and I 929 00:49:56,599 --> 00:49:53,940 have a whole lot of experiencing blimps 930 00:49:58,880 --> 00:49:56,609 because our family farm has a freeway 931 00:50:01,400 --> 00:49:58,890 through it as a blimp route and we've 932 00:50:04,910 --> 00:50:01,410 seen all kinds of blimps including ones 933 00:50:07,609 --> 00:50:04,920 with lit up sides and all kinds of 934 00:50:09,799 --> 00:50:07,619 things and over freeways at night so we 935 00:50:12,470 --> 00:50:09,809 had a lot of experience with that and I 936 00:50:14,359 --> 00:50:12,480 included a little picture in my book but 937 00:50:16,990 --> 00:50:14,369 I have a lot of videos of them too and 938 00:50:20,359 --> 00:50:17,000 so we were used to seeing blimps and 939 00:50:23,870 --> 00:50:20,369 this was nothing like a blimp it was 940 00:50:26,750 --> 00:50:23,880 silent and the lights had a blinking 941 00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:26,760 pattern of the of two lights the three 942 00:50:31,549 --> 00:50:29,010 lights in front and four lights and back 943 00:50:36,829 --> 00:50:31,559 could like separately and we thought 944 00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:36,839 there were windows and anyway it took me 945 00:50:44,150 --> 00:50:40,410 a while I had a camera in the car and in 946 00:50:45,799 --> 00:50:44,160 the trunk and a film in one place I had 947 00:50:48,769 --> 00:50:45,809 a thing to film the camera in the dark 948 00:50:51,349 --> 00:50:48,779 and then load it and it was a boy so it 949 00:50:54,470 --> 00:50:51,359 took a while to do that and so anyway 950 00:50:56,059 --> 00:50:54,480 the thing was right up above us 951 00:50:58,280 --> 00:50:56,069 and my sister thought it was about 70 952 00:51:01,609 --> 00:50:58,290 feet up I don't know what's going slow 953 00:51:04,010 --> 00:51:01,619 and I thought oh I'm going to get a 954 00:51:06,140 --> 00:51:04,020 picture of the inside of a UFO I mean I 955 00:51:09,410 --> 00:51:06,150 just changed my mind wasn't it wasn't no 956 00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:09,420 longer arguing my sister by then and I 957 00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:12,210 decided she was right and so I had my 958 00:51:19,870 --> 00:51:15,930 camera just ready to take a picture and 959 00:51:24,170 --> 00:51:19,880 a truck driver drove over in front of us 960 00:51:27,319 --> 00:51:24,180 and came back and he was standing came 961 00:51:29,809 --> 00:51:27,329 close to me and he asked what we were 962 00:51:32,359 --> 00:51:29,819 doing and you know we don't talk to 963 00:51:34,069 --> 00:51:32,369 strange men or say UFOs around somebody 964 00:51:36,650 --> 00:51:34,079 you know strange man at night or 965 00:51:39,799 --> 00:51:36,660 anything and there was an air plate any 966 00:51:42,620 --> 00:51:39,809 report there and so I pointed at it and 967 00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:42,630 said what's that you know like it was an 968 00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:46,410 airplane and he rotated just exactly 180 969 00:51:51,410 --> 00:51:48,290 degrees in the exact opposite direction 970 00:51:53,870 --> 00:51:51,420 look to the same altitude and said I 971 00:51:57,170 --> 00:51:53,880 don't see anything then he rotated his 972 00:52:01,819 --> 00:51:57,180 body back and you know his face pointed 973 00:52:05,390 --> 00:52:01,829 at me again and he said the same thing 974 00:52:08,210 --> 00:52:05,400 and so I pointed to it again and said 975 00:52:10,010 --> 00:52:08,220 what's that and he rotated around looked 976 00:52:14,510 --> 00:52:10,020 the opposite direction and then came 977 00:52:17,630 --> 00:52:14,520 back and pointed to his head like giving 978 00:52:21,049 --> 00:52:17,640 us a cuckoo sign and that was pretty 979 00:52:24,289 --> 00:52:21,059 weird and I just thought of this since I 980 00:52:27,410 --> 00:52:24,299 wrote the book but I mean he didn't look 981 00:52:28,940 --> 00:52:27,420 around and not see it he knew he must 982 00:52:30,710 --> 00:52:28,950 have known where it was because he could 983 00:52:32,720 --> 00:52:30,720 look in the opposite direction from 984 00:52:35,299 --> 00:52:32,730 where it was what he said and see 985 00:52:39,140 --> 00:52:35,309 anything so I'm sure he knew where it 986 00:52:41,720 --> 00:52:39,150 wasn't so anyway if I'd have thought of 987 00:52:43,039 --> 00:52:41,730 that out in the book but anyway he went 988 00:52:46,370 --> 00:52:43,049 back to his truck and sit there and 989 00:52:49,940 --> 00:52:46,380 watched this cowboy still wanted to get 990 00:52:52,549 --> 00:52:49,950 yeah and it was very intimidating and I 991 00:52:55,220 --> 00:52:52,559 still wanted to get the picture and so 992 00:52:57,799 --> 00:52:55,230 we was on the freeway and I knew I had 993 00:53:01,099 --> 00:52:57,809 to take a time exposure and there was a 994 00:53:01,370 --> 00:53:01,109 hill with some trees and so I ran up the 995 00:53:03,349 --> 00:53:01,380 hill 996 00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:03,359 unfortunately there was a bald spot on 997 00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:08,010 top of the hill and the trees Ansari 998 00:53:11,390 --> 00:53:09,450 I don't think there's too much chance of 999 00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:11,400 getting learned flares anyway but I want 1000 00:53:19,630 --> 00:53:13,890 to be real careful so very carefully aim 1001 00:53:22,490 --> 00:53:19,640 the camera and took pictures and 1002 00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:22,500 Polaroids take a while because after you 1003 00:53:26,660 --> 00:53:23,850 take the pictures you have to pull them 1004 00:53:29,270 --> 00:53:26,670 out and code them and things like that 1005 00:53:31,580 --> 00:53:29,280 so it takes a while to do all that but I 1006 00:53:34,670 --> 00:53:31,590 have the actual photograph still and 1007 00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:34,680 there's no way you could ever digitize 1008 00:53:37,970 --> 00:53:36,090 them or do anything with the computer 1009 00:53:41,330 --> 00:53:37,980 because they're just photographs 1010 00:53:43,070 --> 00:53:41,340 physical photographs but anyway and 1011 00:53:45,740 --> 00:53:43,080 these photographs are in the book 1012 00:53:47,950 --> 00:53:45,750 because we have two non photo version 1013 00:53:50,359 --> 00:53:47,960 yeah 1014 00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:50,369 there was just one of them but it's in 1015 00:53:59,109 --> 00:53:53,130 the book and analyzed because I was a 1016 00:54:04,340 --> 00:53:59,119 photo now analyzing and photo analysis 1017 00:54:08,290 --> 00:54:04,350 and so anyway what happened then was is 1018 00:54:12,230 --> 00:54:08,300 that I came down the hill and pulled the 1019 00:54:14,900 --> 00:54:12,240 foods of their backing and coded them 1020 00:54:18,050 --> 00:54:14,910 and the thing went over to the airport 1021 00:54:20,390 --> 00:54:18,060 and it began the circle this really 1022 00:54:25,970 --> 00:54:20,400 weird circle over it seemed like it was 1023 00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:25,980 over the airport and it would start well 1024 00:54:32,780 --> 00:54:29,690 wherever it started directly south and 1025 00:54:35,720 --> 00:54:32,790 turn off its lights and move in a 1026 00:54:38,630 --> 00:54:35,730 semicircle toward the north I think was 1027 00:54:41,599 --> 00:54:38,640 Glenn County clockwise and he'd turn its 1028 00:54:44,660 --> 00:54:41,609 lights on for a brief while turn him 1029 00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:44,670 back off then about 60 to 30 degrees it 1030 00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:46,410 would turning back on and then turn him 1031 00:54:51,770 --> 00:54:48,810 off then when it was directly north it 1032 00:54:54,410 --> 00:54:51,780 would be south and it was so fast you 1033 00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:54,420 couldn't even imagine it and I would 1034 00:55:00,380 --> 00:54:56,850 just remember each time it wasn't a 1035 00:55:02,780 --> 00:55:00,390 semicircle South was too fast even see 1036 00:55:04,490 --> 00:55:02,790 and then I believe my sister when she 1037 00:55:07,430 --> 00:55:04,500 said this the thing had been moving 1038 00:55:10,930 --> 00:55:07,440 really fast and she had also said that 1039 00:55:14,690 --> 00:55:10,940 um when I was taking my pictures 1040 00:55:18,230 --> 00:55:14,700 apparently the time maybe I was talking 1041 00:55:21,590 --> 00:55:18,240 to man that the big UFO with the object 1042 00:55:23,510 --> 00:55:21,600 with the seven windows was one place and 1043 00:55:25,970 --> 00:55:23,520 it was someplace else and I didn't 1044 00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:25,980 notice that at all because I think I was 1045 00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:27,810 thinking about photography and talking 1046 00:55:33,860 --> 00:55:30,930 that person but later many years later 1047 00:55:36,290 --> 00:55:33,870 when I read her right up I did think it 1048 00:55:38,570 --> 00:55:36,300 was that it wasn't exactly where I 1049 00:55:44,090 --> 00:55:38,580 thought it shouldn't be but anyway I 1050 00:55:46,790 --> 00:55:44,100 came back to the car and we didn't know 1051 00:55:48,950 --> 00:55:46,800 where it would go after we after it 1052 00:55:51,170 --> 00:55:48,960 circled the airport and we could also 1053 00:55:54,710 --> 00:55:51,180 see the planes up above and nothing was 1054 00:55:57,380 --> 00:55:54,720 landing what was there they seemed to be 1055 00:55:59,780 --> 00:55:57,390 circling the airport and anyway I 1056 00:56:02,360 --> 00:55:59,790 decided to turn my car around because I 1057 00:56:03,380 --> 00:56:02,370 thought it had been going south but for 1058 00:56:03,770 --> 00:56:03,390 some reason I thought it was gonna go 1059 00:56:06,890 --> 00:56:03,780 north 1060 00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:06,900 and so I got on the freeway and look 1061 00:56:11,300 --> 00:56:09,090 began looking for an intersection I make 1062 00:56:12,980 --> 00:56:11,310 out on the freeway thinking about it was 1063 00:56:13,550 --> 00:56:12,990 done look for an intersection turn the 1064 00:56:15,830 --> 00:56:13,560 car around 1065 00:56:18,980 --> 00:56:15,840 well the truck driver got right in 1066 00:56:21,980 --> 00:56:18,990 behind us right on our bumpers oh that's 1067 00:56:24,230 --> 00:56:21,990 creepy that's really that is creepy 1068 00:56:28,130 --> 00:56:24,240 well I thought we were gonna get killed 1069 00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:28,140 myself Wow and he he was right on my 1070 00:56:32,720 --> 00:56:30,410 bumper like right feet behind us and 1071 00:56:36,860 --> 00:56:32,730 Joanie's bright light in my mirror oh 1072 00:56:38,810 --> 00:56:36,870 well I see and I know he was chasing us 1073 00:56:40,130 --> 00:56:38,820 because if I switch lanes or slow down 1074 00:56:41,450 --> 00:56:40,140 or speed it up he did the same thing 1075 00:56:43,670 --> 00:56:41,460 mm-hmm 1076 00:56:47,420 --> 00:56:43,680 terrifying and I thought we were gonna 1077 00:56:50,270 --> 00:56:47,430 get killed and then I wanted to get away 1078 00:56:53,630 --> 00:56:50,280 from him and I couldn't figure out how 1079 00:56:55,910 --> 00:56:53,640 and so I thought I would drive down I 1080 00:56:57,740 --> 00:56:55,920 mean I was going like 80 or something as 1081 00:57:00,530 --> 00:56:57,750 fast as the car was going he was right 1082 00:57:02,870 --> 00:57:00,540 on my bumper shiny nice bright lights in 1083 00:57:05,240 --> 00:57:02,880 my face through the mirror and I 1084 00:57:07,850 --> 00:57:05,250 couldn't see a thing and so anyway I 1085 00:57:10,580 --> 00:57:07,860 thought I would go to an intersection 1086 00:57:12,230 --> 00:57:10,590 and swerve off the road from the 1087 00:57:14,870 --> 00:57:12,240 left-hand side because he wouldn't 1088 00:57:17,540 --> 00:57:14,880 expect me to do that and if there had 1089 00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:17,550 been a car going faster around him on 1090 00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:19,170 the left on the right hand side we had 1091 00:57:25,210 --> 00:57:21,090 got killed her you know had a really bad 1092 00:57:28,220 --> 00:57:25,220 accident so I did and we survived good 1093 00:57:30,980 --> 00:57:28,230 we're glad to have you here today Irena 1094 00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:30,990 that was a scary experience that's an 1095 00:57:38,180 --> 00:57:35,250 amazing story too and I'm sure are 1096 00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:38,190 listeners will want to hear the full 1097 00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:40,530 name of the book and where they might 1098 00:57:46,630 --> 00:57:43,770 get it so please go for it 1099 00:57:49,670 --> 00:57:46,640 it's cold inside the lightning bomb 1100 00:57:53,450 --> 00:57:49,680 scientific studies of lifelong UFO 1101 00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:53,460 experiences it's for sale on Amazon calm 1102 00:58:00,589 --> 00:57:56,250 and it should give show up you put the 1103 00:58:03,650 --> 00:58:00,599 name in or also have a website 1104 00:58:06,650 --> 00:58:03,660 Irina Scott and it should pop up and you 1105 00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:06,660 can order just by clicking on the book 1106 00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:09,930 on the website too so it's not hard to 1107 00:58:13,700 --> 00:58:10,410 find 1108 00:58:17,089 --> 00:58:13,710 so before we let you go because we are 1109 00:58:19,190 --> 00:58:17,099 at the our point now and we so much 1110 00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:19,200 enjoyed speaking with you and hearing 1111 00:58:29,980 --> 00:58:24,090 your your occurrences there what's up 1112 00:58:32,540 --> 00:58:29,990 next for dr. irina scott i don't know i 1113 00:58:36,140 --> 00:58:32,550 used to work at Battelle and they did 1114 00:58:39,170 --> 00:58:36,150 some investigating of UFOs and I have 1115 00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:39,180 some more material on that they had 1116 00:58:46,190 --> 00:58:41,490 really good ideas but I don't think they 1117 00:58:48,980 --> 00:58:46,200 had funding and I might think about 1118 00:58:54,140 --> 00:58:48,990 having putting some material on about 1119 00:58:56,990 --> 00:58:54,150 that that I have in otherwise I haven't 1120 00:59:00,230 --> 00:58:57,000 thought about what else well with the 1121 00:59:04,220 --> 00:59:00,240 Kree as creative of mind as yours I'm 1122 00:59:06,470 --> 00:59:04,230 sure you'll figure out something I think 1123 00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:06,480 I speak for both Kate and myself in 1124 00:59:12,500 --> 00:59:08,970 saying that it's been a real pleasure 1125 00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:12,510 and honor to have you on our show 1126 00:59:18,770 --> 00:59:15,570 shattered reality podcast for the second 1127 00:59:21,130 --> 00:59:18,780 time and keep putting out those those 1128 00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:21,140 animal videos because I just love those 1129 00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:25,530 and so thank you very much please keep 1130 00:59:30,260 --> 00:59:28,010 in touch let us know if you have a new 1131 00:59:32,570 --> 00:59:30,270 publication out whether it be a book or 1132 00:59:36,050 --> 00:59:32,580 a paper we would be more than pleased to 1133 00:59:39,620 --> 00:59:36,060 have you back on again Irena oh really 1134 00:59:42,230 --> 00:59:39,630 thank you and I was really honored so 1135 00:59:45,109 --> 00:59:42,240 thank you very much honors all ours 1136 00:59:47,300 --> 00:59:45,119 yes our pleasure entirely and thank you 1137 00:59:49,410 --> 00:59:47,310 so much for being on shattered reality 1138 00:59:51,510 --> 00:59:49,420 podcast have a good 1139 00:59:59,400 --> 00:59:51,520 good evening take care now you do too 1140 01:00:02,069 --> 00:59:59,410 both of you still here by now whoa that 1141 01:00:05,370 --> 01:00:02,079 was a scary experience Wow 1142 01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:05,380 you know it echoes the idea of men in 1143 01:00:09,630 --> 01:00:07,930 black and that sort of thing no she 1144 01:00:11,220 --> 01:00:09,640 didn't have me to mention if the guy was 1145 01:00:13,410 --> 01:00:11,230 dressed in black and it was a number of 1146 01:00:15,990 --> 01:00:13,420 years ago so I don't know whether she 1147 01:00:19,039 --> 01:00:16,000 remembered that part we should have 1148 01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:19,049 asked her perhaps for a physical version 1149 01:00:25,410 --> 01:00:23,770 mm-hmm I can still hear you oh okay what 1150 01:00:27,089 --> 01:00:25,420 do you want to quit give us and we 1151 01:00:29,039 --> 01:00:27,099 weren't saying anything bad we weren't 1152 01:00:30,980 --> 01:00:29,049 saying anything bad but did you have a 1153 01:00:34,470 --> 01:00:30,990 physical description you wanted to add 1154 01:00:36,089 --> 01:00:34,480 of the of the gentlemen of the gentleman 1155 01:00:37,829 --> 01:00:36,099 I use the word loosely since he was 1156 01:00:40,770 --> 01:00:37,839 trying to nearly run you off the road 1157 01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:40,780 the the guy and the ultra-small to a guy 1158 01:00:47,250 --> 01:00:43,210 the guy in a truck what was his physical 1159 01:00:48,809 --> 01:00:47,260 description I don't know I didn't notice 1160 01:00:51,150 --> 01:00:48,819 anything about him because when I was 1161 01:00:54,089 --> 01:00:51,160 talking to him I was also thinking about 1162 01:00:54,809 --> 01:00:54,099 I'm missing that good picture oh yeah of 1163 01:00:58,170 --> 01:00:54,819 course 1164 01:00:59,700 --> 01:00:58,180 dark and I didn't notice anything 1165 01:01:03,299 --> 01:00:59,710 unusual about his appearance but he's 1166 01:01:05,849 --> 01:01:03,309 actions were certainly on and date-date 1167 01:01:07,289 --> 01:01:05,859 they weren't yeah and he didn't have he 1168 01:01:10,049 --> 01:01:07,299 didn't seem to have an accent you know I 1169 01:01:12,059 --> 01:01:10,059 was in Boston I thought yeah you should 1170 01:01:14,430 --> 01:01:12,069 have an accent they didn't sound just 1171 01:01:18,859 --> 01:01:14,440 like you know normal didn't say you 1172 01:01:21,660 --> 01:01:18,869 can't get there from here that's right 1173 01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:21,670 in any case please people in Boston 1174 01:01:31,109 --> 01:01:26,770 forgive me no no it's not intended no 1175 01:01:34,620 --> 01:01:31,119 slur no regional Sewer intended no so 1176 01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:34,630 anyway I guess that it's will be back 1177 01:01:40,829 --> 01:01:36,970 again in a couple of weeks with a 1178 01:01:43,289 --> 01:01:40,839 fantastic new guest and you know we we 1179 01:01:47,910 --> 01:01:43,299 take a while between our podcasts 1180 01:01:50,430 --> 01:01:47,920 because we really like to be very clear 1181 01:01:53,750 --> 01:01:50,440 about who we're picking to be our guests 1182 01:01:59,130 --> 01:01:53,760 but if you dear listeners out there 1183 01:02:03,180 --> 01:01:59,140 would like to have a moment or two on 1184 01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:03,190 the show to talk about your experience 1185 01:02:09,630 --> 01:02:06,130 we occasionally have the last 15 minutes 1186 01:02:12,390 --> 01:02:09,640 of the show for listeners corner which 1187 01:02:17,279 --> 01:02:12,400 in which some of our listeners give 1188 01:02:20,759 --> 01:02:17,289 their stories of unusual paranormal 1189 01:02:23,309 --> 01:02:20,769 phenomena or get they can post it on the 1190 01:02:27,059 --> 01:02:23,319 website or not well they can yes they 1191 01:02:28,859 --> 01:02:27,069 can't post on any of our websites and 1192 01:02:32,940 --> 01:02:28,869 I'm going to go through that now a long 1193 01:02:36,479 --> 01:02:32,950 list um we are on Facebook as a radio 1194 01:02:39,089 --> 01:02:36,489 station hmm shattered reality podcast 1195 01:02:41,910 --> 01:02:39,099 but the category is radio station 1196 01:02:44,279 --> 01:02:41,920 because that's the closest category that 1197 01:02:48,329 --> 01:02:44,289 I was able to find and we really 1198 01:02:52,499 --> 01:02:48,339 appreciate any comments and also if you 1199 01:02:54,839 --> 01:02:52,509 can like our Facebook page shattered 1200 01:02:58,589 --> 01:02:54,849 reality podcast we do appreciate it and 1201 01:03:02,519 --> 01:02:58,599 comments are possible there in addition 1202 01:03:07,890 --> 01:03:02,529 all of our podcasts are on shattered 1203 01:03:11,370 --> 01:03:07,900 reality podcast wordpress.com and most 1204 01:03:17,670 --> 01:03:11,380 of them are on both shattered reality 1205 01:03:20,969 --> 01:03:17,680 podcast comm and our YouTube channel and 1206 01:03:23,940 --> 01:03:20,979 so there are a multiplicity of places 1207 01:03:26,819 --> 01:03:23,950 including iTunes where you can place a 1208 01:03:29,579 --> 01:03:26,829 comment so and stitcher radio so we've 1209 01:03:31,859 --> 01:03:29,589 got right there like 6 places for you to 1210 01:03:34,799 --> 01:03:31,869 talk to us so come out of the forest 1211 01:03:36,630 --> 01:03:34,809 come come up from the basement or down 1212 01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:36,640 from the attic or wherever the heck you 1213 01:03:43,589 --> 01:03:39,690 might be and communicate with us at 1214 01:03:46,019 --> 01:03:43,599 shattered reality podcast and so wait 1215 01:03:49,620 --> 01:03:46,029 wait a little announcement joke is June 1216 01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:49,630 26 and Saturn is in direct opposition to 1217 01:03:54,749 --> 01:03:52,210 the Sun and will be very bright in the 1218 01:03:57,029 --> 01:03:54,759 early evening sky especially around 1219 01:04:00,359 --> 01:03:57,039 midnight tonight for those of us in the 1220 01:04:03,450 --> 01:04:00,369 Northeast cool well thank you Kate and 1221 01:04:04,859 --> 01:04:03,460 if you have you its edge on to so you 1222 01:04:06,979 --> 01:04:04,869 really get a good view of the Rings 1223 01:04:09,420 --> 01:04:06,989 right I know about about what 1224 01:04:12,150 --> 01:04:09,430 magnification do you think a person 1225 01:04:14,670 --> 01:04:12,160 would have to have to get any glimpse of 1226 01:04:16,500 --> 01:04:14,680 the Rings just good fuel binoculars good 1227 01:04:18,150 --> 01:04:16,510 field binocular on it 1228 01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:18,160 I'm out there I'm gonna what look I'm 1229 01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:20,650 gonna look tonight well thank you so 1230 01:04:31,460 --> 01:04:23,890 much any other no no that's it man no